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Post by player 58 on Mar 13, 2016 12:17:04 GMT
I have got some nominations www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/icon/327.png D to E:I don t think spinda is D rank worthy.Sure it has rapid spin but we have more great spinner than this thing and its stats are really bad as a contrary user it isn t good and it isn t bulky it can be destroy by powerful stab attacks and we have better sweepers and wallbreakers. www.pokestadium.com/sprites/heartgold-soulsilver/luvdisc.png Luvdisc to E We haven tt got any reason to use when we have better water pokemons like golduck,simipour,huntail,whiscash etc it fills its role completely.
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Post by Erica*07 on Mar 15, 2016 18:51:50 GMT
Slaking should be a B at minimum. Adamant Choice Scarf Slaking has the awe-inspiring ability to consistently outspeed and OHKO some of the top threats of the metagame, notably the all-star threats of the Simi
252 Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisear: 283-334 (97.2 - 114.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Slaking Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisear: 408-480 (140.2 - 164.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lopunny: 225-265 (83 - 97.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252+ Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lopunny: 246-291 (90.7 - 107.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Electabuzz: 306-361 (112.9 - 133.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Slaking Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Electabuzz: 268-316 (98.8 - 116.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Slaking Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Electabuzz: 294-346 (108.4 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Adamant Scarf Slaking also notably still outspeeds Huntail even after a Shell Smash, regardless of Huntail's nature. This means that Huntail can be swapped into, Encored into Shell Smash or Sucker Punch, depending on what the opponent tries to do, and handled appropriately. Alternatively, if Huntail takes damage on setup and then KOs a pokemon, it can actually be finished off by Slaking with ease. Huntail's Sucker Punch actually does pitiful damage to Slaking even at +2, making this even more viable.
252 Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Huntail: 186-220 (74.1 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Huntail: 204-241 (81.2 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 252+ Atk Huntail Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Slaking: 164-193 (37.1 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Against Butterfree Slaking carries similar advantages against it as against Huntail, but with greater risk of swapping in because of Sleep Powder and less bulk to use against it. However, in return Slaking has no trouble whatsoever in OHKOing an outsped Butterfree and Butterfree has no priority moves with which to hurt Slaking.
252 Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Butterfree: 336-396 (128.7 - 151.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Butterfree: 367-433 (140.6 - 165.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Offensive Murkrow has to carry Thunder Wave to cripple Slaking, as it is the only thing an offensive Murkrow can actually do against it. Offensive Murkrow will otherwise be blasted right through, and this can be undone with a simple Heal Bell.
252 Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Murkrow: 382-451 (146.3 - 172.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Murkrow: 255-301 (97.7 - 115.3%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Murkrow: 280-330 (107.2 - 126.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Murkrow Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Slaking: 142-168 (32.1 - 38%) -- 93.1% chance to 3HKO
Although Lairon from high health can swap into Slaking, without Wish support a prediction and use of Earthquake can leave Lairon unable to swap in for the rest of the game. Rock Polish Lairon, meanwhile, can be caught with an Encore after 1 boost or just be tanked and KO'd at 2 boosts.
252 Atk Slaking Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Lairon: 196-232 (60.4 - 71.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Slaking Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Lairon: 212-252 (65.4 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Lairon Head Smash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Slaking: 210-247 (47.6 - 56%) -- 80.9% chance to 2HKO 252 Atk Slaking Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Lairon: 256-304 (98 - 116.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Slaking Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Lairon: 280-332 (107.2 - 127.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Additionally, Scarf and Band Krokorok are OHKO'd with ease.
252 Atk Slaking Frustration vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krokorok: 361-426 (138.3 - 163.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Slaking performs just as well against lower ranked offensive and boosting threats such as Frogadier, Gogoat, Raticate, Seviper, and Swoobat as it does with the above threats, outspeeding or Encoring to beat them and having a usable bulk with which a player might get an instance of forgiveness for a mistake as well as allowing it to be passed a Wish. Slaking's excellent performance against the high ranked threats of the tier more than earn it a B ranking, if not an A.
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Post by skankovich on Mar 16, 2016 11:47:43 GMT
I can see Slaking in B/B-, as its power and bulk is great, meaning it doesn't care about priority and can switch into a lot of threats to revenge without fear, but it faces a lot of competition from Raticate and Sawsbuck as scarfers. Raticate hits almost as hard (93% as hard to be precise), but has U-turn and of course no truant, in exchange mainly for bulk, earthquake and 100% accuracy, and while Sawsbuck is the weakest of the bunch, it has a nice dual STAB, baton pass, perfect accuracy compared to Rat and again no truant. Lack of truant means these mons can clean late game as well as revenge kill mons, and they don't become set up bait after a revenge kill which is pretty huge, since we have very prominent mons in the form of Simisear, Simipour and Butterfree that often use sub + set up moves.
252 Atk Slaking Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 283-334 (97.2 - 114.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Hustle Raticate Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 264-312 (90.7 - 107.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Sawsbuck Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 238-282 (81.7 - 96.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
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Post by Erica*07 on Mar 16, 2016 16:59:06 GMT
I can see Slaking in B/B-, as its power and bulk is great, meaning it doesn't care about priority and can switch into a lot of threats to revenge without fear, but it faces a lot of competition from Raticate and Sawsbuck as scarfers. Raticate hits almost as hard (93% as hard to be precise), but has U-turn and of course no truant, in exchange mainly for bulk, earthquake and 100% accuracy, and while Sawsbuck is the weakest of the bunch, it has a nice dual STAB, baton pass, perfect accuracy compared to Rat and again no truant. Lack of truant means these mons can clean late game as well as revenge kill mons, and they don't become set up bait after a revenge kill which is pretty huge, since we have very prominent mons in the form of Simisear, Simipour and Butterfree that often use sub + set up moves. 252 Atk Slaking Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 283-334 (97.2 - 114.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Hustle Raticate Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 264-312 (90.7 - 107.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Sawsbuck Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 238-282 (81.7 - 96.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock Slaking doesn't miss or kill itself against priority, and with an adamant nature will not fail to OHKO a Simi even without Rocks. Hustle Raticate doesn't really seem like a good choice as a scarfer, it's just inferior in every way except U-Turn and the lack of Truant, and even then it's very doubtful a player wants a Hustle Scarf Raticate. Players depend on scarf users, and a scarf whose every hit rate is 80% at best just seems a little offputting. Sawsbuck meanwhile is significantly weaker than Slaking, not even guaranteed an OHKO with the more powerful Double-Edge after Rocks, simultaneously also weakening itself for priority to handle. We also shouldn't forget the sheer value of Encore, which allows Slaking to render a number of setup sweepers unable to even attack when played right. Unless that Sawsbuck is going to be switched to being Adamant I don't see a either of these competeing with Slaking against the offensive threats of the tier. Adamant Scarf Slaking can OHKO all of our S rank threats and is capable of being played to beat a majority of our A rank threats. Slaking also has great coverage to work with that the other two don't in Night Slash and Earthquake.
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Post by player58 on Mar 16, 2016 19:54:51 GMT
I have got some nominations
Bastiodon to C- or D rank: Bastiodon is faces too much competition against lairon and gigalith as a stealth rocker.İt just set up and hopes for a kill with metal burst and thats it.İts typing is awful and same as lairon but lairon has eviolite and good atk stat with head smash and gigalith has great atk and can explode so they has offensive pressure but bastodons ofensive stats are bad and it relies on its good defence and sturdy.
Belossom to D rank: Why belossom is B+ and happy dino is B.Basically happy dino is more useful than this thing as a bulky grass type.Meganium has double screen ,it can use sword dance for attacking and it completely fills belossom as a defensive grass type maybe belossom has chlorophly but other chlorophyl users are better like sawsbuck,weepinbell and maractus.
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Post by skankovich on Mar 17, 2016 21:41:41 GMT
I can see Slaking in B/B-, as its power and bulk is great, meaning it doesn't care about priority and can switch into a lot of threats to revenge without fear, but it faces a lot of competition from Raticate and Sawsbuck as scarfers. Raticate hits almost as hard (93% as hard to be precise), but has U-turn and of course no truant, in exchange mainly for bulk, earthquake and 100% accuracy, and while Sawsbuck is the weakest of the bunch, it has a nice dual STAB, baton pass, perfect accuracy compared to Rat and again no truant. Lack of truant means these mons can clean late game as well as revenge kill mons, and they don't become set up bait after a revenge kill which is pretty huge, since we have very prominent mons in the form of Simisear, Simipour and Butterfree that often use sub + set up moves. 252 Atk Slaking Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 283-334 (97.2 - 114.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Hustle Raticate Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 264-312 (90.7 - 107.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Sawsbuck Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simisage: 238-282 (81.7 - 96.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock Slaking doesn't miss or kill itself against priority, and with an adamant nature will not fail to OHKO a Simi even without Rocks. Hustle Raticate doesn't really seem like a good choice as a scarfer, it's just inferior in every way except U-Turn and the lack of Truant, and even then it's very doubtful a player wants a Hustle Scarf Raticate. Players depend on scarf users, and a scarf whose every hit rate is 80% at best just seems a little offputting. Sawsbuck meanwhile is significantly weaker than Slaking, not even guaranteed an OHKO with the more powerful Double-Edge after Rocks, simultaneously also weakening itself for priority to handle. We also shouldn't forget the sheer value of Encore, which allows Slaking to render a number of setup sweepers unable to even attack when played right. Unless that Sawsbuck is going to be switched to being Adamant I don't see a either of these competeing with Slaking against the offensive threats of the tier. Adamant Scarf Slaking can OHKO all of our S rank threats and is capable of being played to beat a majority of our A rank threats. Slaking also has great coverage to work with that the other two don't in Night Slash and Earthquake. Slaking doesn't miss and is bulkier yeah, but it can also only attack every other turn, which is really, really huge- every time you revenge kill a mon you'll be giving your opponent a completely free turn, and you basically have to build your team around that potential completely free turn. It makes Slaking unappealing to offensive playstyles because they're less likely to have other answers than Slaking itself to set-up mons, and so it's way less splashable than the other normal scarfers. Not only that but it can't pull off a sweep in the way other scarfers can when a team is weakened enough/checks are removed, it's stuck solely in the role of revenging/encoring set up mons, which, while really useful for certain teams thanks to its ability to do the job so effectively, isn't enough for it to earn a really high ranking imo. Raticate's accuracy can be a pain but its power is definitely worth it- just like Slaking it 1hkos the Simis 100% of the time when adamant (Which I wouldnt recommend, but double edge kills em even with jolly, see the calcs below)- and it's not much worse than the 85% accuracy of scarf Simipour/Simisear with their STABs. Its U-Turn is actually one of the strongest in the tier, and we all know how good U-Turn is on scarfers anyway. It's overall a really nice option as a scarfer. 252+ Atk Hustle Raticate Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simipour: 291-343 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Hustle Raticate Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simipour: 312-367 (107.2 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO Had this fight with Slar before, it demonstrates the power of scarf rat - replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pu-345913496
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Post by Slar Flar on Mar 19, 2016 4:55:08 GMT
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Post by Erica*07 on Mar 20, 2016 6:56:38 GMT
Slaking doesn't miss or kill itself against priority, and with an adamant nature will not fail to OHKO a Simi even without Rocks. Hustle Raticate doesn't really seem like a good choice as a scarfer, it's just inferior in every way except U-Turn and the lack of Truant, and even then it's very doubtful a player wants a Hustle Scarf Raticate. Players depend on scarf users, and a scarf whose every hit rate is 80% at best just seems a little offputting. Sawsbuck meanwhile is significantly weaker than Slaking, not even guaranteed an OHKO with the more powerful Double-Edge after Rocks, simultaneously also weakening itself for priority to handle. We also shouldn't forget the sheer value of Encore, which allows Slaking to render a number of setup sweepers unable to even attack when played right. Unless that Sawsbuck is going to be switched to being Adamant I don't see a either of these competeing with Slaking against the offensive threats of the tier. Adamant Scarf Slaking can OHKO all of our S rank threats and is capable of being played to beat a majority of our A rank threats. Slaking also has great coverage to work with that the other two don't in Night Slash and Earthquake. Slaking doesn't miss and is bulkier yeah, but it can also only attack every other turn, which is really, really huge- every time you revenge kill a mon you'll be giving your opponent a completely free turn, and you basically have to build your team around that potential completely free turn. It makes Slaking unappealing to offensive playstyles because they're less likely to have other answers than Slaking itself to set-up mons, and so it's way less splashable than the other normal scarfers. Not only that but it can't pull off a sweep in the way other scarfers can when a team is weakened enough/checks are removed, it's stuck solely in the role of revenging/encoring set up mons, which, while really useful for certain teams thanks to its ability to do the job so effectively, isn't enough for it to earn a really high ranking imo. Raticate's accuracy can be a pain but its power is definitely worth it- just like Slaking it 1hkos the Simis 100% of the time when adamant (Which I wouldnt recommend, but double edge kills em even with jolly, see the calcs below)- and it's not much worse than the 85% accuracy of scarf Simipour/Simisear with their STABs. Its U-Turn is actually one of the strongest in the tier, and we all know how good U-Turn is on scarfers anyway. It's overall a really nice option as a scarfer. 252+ Atk Hustle Raticate Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simipour: 291-343 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Hustle Raticate Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simipour: 312-367 (107.2 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO Had this fight with Slar before, it demonstrates the power of scarf rat - replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pu-345913496That doesn't change the fact that scarf Raticate is not a dependable pokemon, and dependability is massively important to being a scarf. Additionally, Hustle Raticate actually only wins 80% of the time, as opposed to Slaking's 100%. Slaking is much more consistent about it. And on the same note that you call Slaking less splashable in offensive, a scarf Raticate is less splashable for a defensive team than Slaking because of how much less bulky it is. Slaking can survive a mispredict swap-in, whereas Raticate is much less likely to survive.
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Post by Slar Flar on Mar 20, 2016 19:27:04 GMT
Slaking doesn't miss and is bulkier yeah, but it can also only attack every other turn, which is really, really huge- every time you revenge kill a mon you'll be giving your opponent a completely free turn, and you basically have to build your team around that potential completely free turn. It makes Slaking unappealing to offensive playstyles because they're less likely to have other answers than Slaking itself to set-up mons, and so it's way less splashable than the other normal scarfers. Not only that but it can't pull off a sweep in the way other scarfers can when a team is weakened enough/checks are removed, it's stuck solely in the role of revenging/encoring set up mons, which, while really useful for certain teams thanks to its ability to do the job so effectively, isn't enough for it to earn a really high ranking imo. Raticate's accuracy can be a pain but its power is definitely worth it- just like Slaking it 1hkos the Simis 100% of the time when adamant (Which I wouldnt recommend, but double edge kills em even with jolly, see the calcs below)- and it's not much worse than the 85% accuracy of scarf Simipour/Simisear with their STABs. Its U-Turn is actually one of the strongest in the tier, and we all know how good U-Turn is on scarfers anyway. It's overall a really nice option as a scarfer. 252+ Atk Hustle Raticate Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simipour: 291-343 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Hustle Raticate Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simipour: 312-367 (107.2 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO Had this fight with Slar before, it demonstrates the power of scarf rat - replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pu-345913496That doesn't change the fact that scarf Raticate is not a dependable pokemon, and dependability is massively important to being a scarf. Additionally, Hustle Raticate actually only wins 80% of the time, as opposed to Slaking's 100%. Slaking is much more consistent about it. And on the same note that you call Slaking less splashable in offensive, a scarf Raticate is less splashable for a defensive team than Slaking because of how much less bulky it is. Slaking can survive a mispredict swap-in, whereas Raticate is much less likely to survive. Slaking is definitely a lot less splashable than scarf raticate as scarf raticate's momentum is a huge asset to a team, and allows it to easily fit onto teams that need the speed (also partners well with Electabuzz) meanwhile slaking saps momentum and due to it's truant is extremely crippled at attempting to sweep unlike Raticate. Although Raticate's accuracy is lower, Slaking's ability actually makes running choiced sets a huge turn off for it. Honestly scarf slaking isn't something I would even recommend using, I would prefer using something along the lines of life orb encore+3 attacks.
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Post by Erica*07 on Mar 21, 2016 23:41:49 GMT
That doesn't change the fact that scarf Raticate is not a dependable pokemon, and dependability is massively important to being a scarf. Additionally, Hustle Raticate actually only wins 80% of the time, as opposed to Slaking's 100%. Slaking is much more consistent about it. And on the same note that you call Slaking less splashable in offensive, a scarf Raticate is less splashable for a defensive team than Slaking because of how much less bulky it is. Slaking can survive a mispredict swap-in, whereas Raticate is much less likely to survive. Slaking is definitely a lot less splashable than scarf raticate as scarf raticate's momentum is a huge asset to a team, and allows it to easily fit onto teams that need the speed (also partners well with Electabuzz) meanwhile slaking saps momentum and due to it's truant is extremely crippled at attempting to sweep unlike Raticate. Although Raticate's accuracy is lower, Slaking's ability actually makes running choiced sets a huge turn off for it. Honestly scarf slaking isn't something I would even recommend using, I would prefer using something along the lines of life orb encore+3 attacks. Did you bother reading anything I said about what Scarf Slaking beats? And I said for a defensive team. Defensive teams have very different needs and 'momentum' isn't exactly what's primarily needed for defensive teams to win. Raticate doesn't have much in the way of a partner to keep up offensive pressure without abandoning the status as a defensive team.
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Post by Slar Flar on Mar 22, 2016 0:28:06 GMT
Slaking is definitely a lot less splashable than scarf raticate as scarf raticate's momentum is a huge asset to a team, and allows it to easily fit onto teams that need the speed (also partners well with Electabuzz) meanwhile slaking saps momentum and due to it's truant is extremely crippled at attempting to sweep unlike Raticate. Although Raticate's accuracy is lower, Slaking's ability actually makes running choiced sets a huge turn off for it. Honestly scarf slaking isn't something I would even recommend using, I would prefer using something along the lines of life orb encore+3 attacks. Did you bother reading anything I said about what Scarf Slaking beats? And I said for a defensive team. Defensive teams have very different needs and 'momentum' isn't exactly what's primarily needed for defensive teams to win. Raticate doesn't have much in the way of a partner to keep up offensive pressure without abandoning the status as a defensive team. Why would you ever run a scarf mon on a defensive team, imho it just doesn't fit, and even then there are way better options for said defensive team.
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Post by skankovich on Mar 22, 2016 1:09:05 GMT
Yeah, like there are situations when a defensive scarfer is sometimes used, the one that comes to mind is a trickscarf user to help in stall v stall and to catch lastmon bulky sweepers, but Slaking seems like a strange choice- certainly, the last thing I'd want to do is give something like sub Simisear a chance to set up against a stall/defensive team. I'm sure you can make it work, but you must admit that it's a lot more niche of an application than a scarfer for an offensive team?
I think I'd rather go for Ditto as a defensive scarfer, as it threatens with a counter-sweep which discourages set up altogether, can still beat salac simis and is also an unlimited pp dump for stall v stall matchups.
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Post by Erica*07 on Mar 22, 2016 1:21:33 GMT
Did you bother reading anything I said about what Scarf Slaking beats? And I said for a defensive team. Defensive teams have very different needs and 'momentum' isn't exactly what's primarily needed for defensive teams to win. Raticate doesn't have much in the way of a partner to keep up offensive pressure without abandoning the status as a defensive team. Why would you ever run a scarf mon on a defensive team, imho it just doesn't fit, and even then there are way better options for said defensive team. Because I don't like losing to Simis.
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Post by Erica*07 on Mar 22, 2016 1:56:24 GMT
Yeah, like there are situations when a defensive scarfer is sometimes used, the one that comes to mind is a trickscarf user to help in stall v stall and to catch lastmon bulky sweepers, but Slaking seems like a strange choice- certainly, the last thing I'd want to do is give something like sub Simisear a chance to set up against a stall/defensive team. I'm sure you can make it work, but you must admit that it's a lot more niche of an application than a scarfer for an offensive team? I think I'd rather go for Ditto as a defensive scarfer, as it threatens with a counter-sweep which discourages set up altogether, can still beat salac simis and is also an unlimited pp dump for stall v stall matchups. Sub does not stop encore, and you're bringing in Slaking to revenge a Simisear, meaning it has to swap out into something that Slaking can dent. If played right then it won't be a problem. Ditto meanwhile doesn't beat anything with a sub up. And Slaking is not a scarfer for an offensive team. It's not meant to be played on offensive teams, it needs much better team support than that to truly shine.
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Post by skankovich on Mar 22, 2016 18:14:58 GMT
Yeah, like there are situations when a defensive scarfer is sometimes used, the one that comes to mind is a trickscarf user to help in stall v stall and to catch lastmon bulky sweepers, but Slaking seems like a strange choice- certainly, the last thing I'd want to do is give something like sub Simisear a chance to set up against a stall/defensive team. I'm sure you can make it work, but you must admit that it's a lot more niche of an application than a scarfer for an offensive team? I think I'd rather go for Ditto as a defensive scarfer, as it threatens with a counter-sweep which discourages set up altogether, can still beat salac simis and is also an unlimited pp dump for stall v stall matchups. Sub does not stop encore, and you're bringing in Slaking to revenge a Simisear, meaning it has to swap out into something that Slaking can dent. If played right then it won't be a problem. Ditto meanwhile doesn't beat anything with a sub up. And Slaking is not a scarfer for an offensive team. It's not meant to be played on offensive teams, it needs much better team support than that to truly shine. I'm not saying sub stops encore, I'm saying that if you're in a situation where Slaking has just killed something or the opponent predicted a resist or encore, you're opening up a completely free turn where something like a Simisear can set up or fire off an attack. This isn't something I'd ever really feel comfortable giving if I can help it on a defensive team. Good point about ditto and subs, but you're misunderstanding what I'm saying about defensive teams. It's a scarfer for these, but that's a very niche role in itself- defensive teams don't commonly run scarfers so its use is already limited compared to other options, and so it's not going to be reaching the higher ranks. Furthermore, it's not like it's the only option defensive teams for dealing with Simisear/pour, and it's not an especially reliable one when it can be 1hko'd by a life orb focus blast on the switch, knocked off and then killed next turn etc. It can only really revenge kill after something has already died, which isn't ideal at all on defensive teams when individual mons tend to have more value. Again, I'm not saying it can never work and I'm sure it does on certain teams, but anywhere higher in B is a bit much for a mon you acknowledge only works with a good amount of support and only on specific teams of a certain archetype. Maybe other sets have value that can push it up, but I don't think Scarf is enough rn.
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