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Post by 5gen on Oct 5, 2016 3:11:00 GMT
Huntail and Murkrow to S- is self explanatory imo. Both are fearsome wall breakers, cleaners, and have some degree of versatility. For example, other than SS Mixed Huntail can run full special SS boasting moves like Ice Beam, Hydro Pump, and HP Grass to nail switch ins like Frillish or Gourg-L. Other sets include Coil Pass and Rain Sweeper. On the other hand Murkrow can deviate from the standard LO Mixed with various sets such as Pursuit, CM Roost, and Taunt Roost special/physical. Solid mons that deserve being above A+ but not as meta defining for S imo.
Speaking of A ranks, I feel they can be refined. Rough ideas: Wartortle to A+ (best hazard remover) | Saws down to A- (prevalence of Gourg and Pluff) | Klang to A (1v1's and sets up on a lot of the tier) | Magmar to A (Great coverage and attacking power, Flame Charge cleans well, decent defensive utility)
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Post by Slar Flar on Oct 5, 2016 21:34:18 GMT
Ariados ---> D Agree. Honestly, what does Ariados do that Kricket doesn't besides T-Spikes? Murkrow ---> S- Agree. Murkrow is an extremely powerful and fairly versatile mon in the current meta and how its able to pressure stall with its stallbreaker CM set is just fantastic. Castform ---> E Agree. This thing doesn't do much except die on weather teams ;[ Mothim ---> E Agree. Discount Butterfree >:[ Corsola ---> E Agree. Despite how much I like the idea of rock polish sweeper corsola, the accuracy issue with that set just kinda makes the entire set itself fall apart and fail at viability. Dewgong ---> C- / D Or E Agree with E. what does this thing even do again? Pignite ---> B- OR B Agree with B. Pignite is my MAN, Wallbreaking to this extent is great imho, and the insane coverage it gets is nothing to scoff at. Phione ---> C- / D OR E Agree with D. Despite the fact that Phione has seen little to no play, it still has the ability to run a few niche roles like bulky pivot, utility, etc that I think keeps it on the very edge of viability Frillish ---> C Agree. MY BOY FRILLISH walling everything ever tbh, its typing, ability, and stats just lets it soak up so much damage its kinda ridiculous. Huntail ---> S- Agree? I actually don't know about Huntail being S-. I mean, Despite its funky design making it look like his nostrils are his eyes and his eyes are his ear holes(?), Huntail has a lot going for it in the current meta. Its ability to be physical mixed or special is appreciated on a lot of teams, and with the water typing not having a ton of reliable counters, the major ones being Frillish and Gogoat (if I am missing any more please tell me). At the same time, I just don't feel like it has the same versatility or dominance that Gourgeist-L has, or the other S ranks. Maybe the top of A+, but I wouldn't disagree completely with S- rank either.
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Post by funbot28 on Oct 7, 2016 4:18:01 GMT
Ok so here is my thoughts on the current noms (srry again vader for taking so long...) A+ -> S-: Agree Before the creation of S- I would have agreed to keep Huntail in A+ due to the prevalence of Lickilicky and Jumpluff that keep Huntail in check. However, since we now have a sub-divided S-Rank in which Gourgeist resides in S-, I feel Huntail also is potent enough to rise there as well. Like I had mentioned previously, Shell Smash is very difficult to stop unless once is running a specific counters in Wartortle and defensive Lickilicky, or has faster threats such as Choice Scarf Simisage/Simipour to outspeed and revenge kill it. No other mon in FU has the ability to become so potent after solely one boost (exception maybe being Swoobat). CoilPass is also a very good set and helps lure in checks that prepare to deal with SS. Huntail is just so flexible and could easily build around its checks and some counters, which is why I think its worthy of S- at this point. A+ -> S-: Agree I have been using Murkow more myself lately and its been pulling through so much lately. Calm Mind with Feather Dance is actually extremely dangerous if your opponent predicts poorly due to it being able to use so many mons as setup fodder, which then results in a sweep. LO Krow is also a very good wallbreaker that breaks a majority of common walls in the current meta such as Sp.Defensive Licky, Quilladin, Sp.Defensive Wartortle, Gourgheist, etc... Murkow provides a greta balance of offensive utility and wallbreaking power to rise to S- imo. My own noms now: B- -> B/B+ Scarf Mienfoo is actually a underrated threat atm. It somewhat breaks through the ever so common core of Lickylicky and Gourgeist and it decimates teams that lack speed control and a reliable Reckless High Jump Kick switchin (which there really not many). It pertains a great movepool as well which compliments its utilities with moves such as Knock Off, U-Turn, and Stone Edge. It also can pull off a very good CM Pass set as well, which could be extremely potent if not dealt properly with. C+ -> B-/B: Why is this so low?? Trapinch is amazing at trapping and weakening numerous threats that are hit hard by Ground STAB. This is extremely important, as Trapinhc could open up so many holes against the opposing team when dealing with stuff such as Klang and Electabuzz, which then could help ur team perform better as a result. This mon offers to much support to be down in C+, and I could even see an argument of it rising all the way to B+, but I will be patient for now. Unranked -> C+/B- So I have been using Bronzor stall a lot recently and oml this thing just never dies. Having that Groudn immunity helps it out tremendously as it only then becomes weak to Dark and Fire (which FU kinda lacks in typing). It could then just easily set up SR and prepare to Toxic stall the opponent with Rest. Here is a replay vs Melancholy Blues to demonstrate this: replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pu-447663513Have no opinion on other noms so yeah
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Post by takeazelfie on Oct 7, 2016 12:27:24 GMT
I agree with Mienfoo, probably the best Fighting-type available and even has some cool Baton Pass sets that allow it to support other teammates !_!
Also what is Unfezant doing in D rank? All I can see about is that its a Normal-type with Flying added to its typing since its strongest Flying moves are Aerial Ace and Sky Attack. The only real difference in favor of using this would be using Hypnosis but that really shouldn't be enough to consider ever using unless you wanted to be sort of gimmicky.
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Post by Slar Flar on Oct 7, 2016 20:38:47 GMT
Mienfoo B- -> B/B+ Agree with B+: Mienfoo is super strong and is, in my honest opinion, one of if not the strongest fighting type viability wise and damage output wise. Fits on a nice amount of teams, has momentum, no reason for mienfoo to be B- honestly.
Trapinch C+ -> B-/B Agree with B-: Trapinch is a great mon in the meta currently, being able to trap and kill many common mons like Lairon and Electabuzz.
Bronzor Unranked -> C+/B- Agree with B-: Bronzor is such a great mon on stall (Its ass to go against I can tell you that) and with its typings and immunities, its just a great thing to have. Common resistances to normal, ice, and grass, great bulk with eviolite, and an unusually effective move in psywave (this move gets 101+ so often I swear to god).
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Post by Slar Flar on Oct 7, 2016 20:40:08 GMT
I agree with Mienfoo, probably the best Fighting-type available and even has some cool Baton Pass sets that allow it to support other teammates !_! Also what is Unfezant doing in D rank? All I can see about is that its a Normal-type with Flying added to its typing since its strongest Flying moves are Aerial Ace and Sky Attack. The only real difference in favor of using this would be using Hypnosis but that really shouldn't be enough to consider ever using unless you wanted to be sort of gimmicky. it has a mixed set that somehow puts in work and CB with that massive attack stat is decent too. Consider it a normal more than a flying in all honesty. Not a ton of wallbreakers in FU with that high of attack. I might test it and see if its worthy of a rank boost actually
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Post by lunarly on Oct 9, 2016 3:36:33 GMT
Regarding some of the nominations Castform ---> E Agree I really don't see a reason to use this mon, you either have to sacrifice move-slots for weather setting moves, or you need a ton of support from mons to set up the weather for you. Though it has a diverse movepool (having moves like Thunder, Hurricane, Weather Ball etc.) but, it doesn't have that stats to be able to fully use it's own movepool. It also has mediocre speed and bulk as well. Also things like Golduck shut this mon down completely due to Cloud Nine.
Frillish ---> C Disagree This mon has a lot going for it really, having a good typing and ability, giving it immunity to 3 types (2 of them being quite popular being Water and Normal). Having access to a lot of great utility moves such as Scald, Will-o-Wisp, and Taunt and also having reliable recovery with Recover. However, it is very reliant on it's Eviolite to take hits, with many popular mons in this tier carrying Knock Off (Simipour, Lickilicky, etc.) it really kinda shuts down this mon's ability to tank hits.
Corsola ---> E Agree Although this mon has pretty good defenses (55/85/85 isn't terrible), also having access to a pretty decent movepool and Regenarator, I find that there are better options if you are looking for a defensive water or rock type mon (which will have some offensive presence in some cases). Corsola has bad offensive base stats and it's weak to many common types in this game such as Grass and Ground types, it also doesn't want to switch into Water types too. Overall, this mon is pretty bad, there's really no reason to use it over Gigalith or Lairon (who have offensive presence).
My own nomination now... Masquerain from C to C+ I was quite surprised to see this mon so down in the tier list. I understand Masquerain is outclassed by Butterfree and he flaws of this mon are very glaring, being squishy as hell and the large rocks weakness, but it doesn't need to use a slot for Sleep Powder so it can save the last slot for another coverage move or possibly a utility move like Substitute and Sticky Web. Masquerain also sports dual stab (which Butterfree lacks), and a large movepool to cover up some of it's weaknesses like Air Slash, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Giga Drain and Hidden Power of your choice. Masquerain also has Intimidate which can be annoying at certain times too.
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Post by Acast on Oct 10, 2016 3:02:08 GMT
Here's a list of some changes I'm nominating.
Should Rise
Luxray B -> B+ A really great wallbreaker in the current metagame. Due to its access to Superpower, Crunch, and Guts, it's one of the few pokemon that can break the Lickilicky+Gourgeist core on its own. That on its own is enough to warrant a rise, but it also has Intimidate and Volt Switch which can make it a very effective pivot.
Pignite C+ -> B The pig is so underrated it's incredible. There are few things that are willing to switch into Flare Blitz/Superpower coverage, and those few things are not hugely common (Frillish, Lampent, maybe Carbink?). Like Luxray, this is one of the few pokemon that can break the Lickilicky+Gourgeist core. On top of that, Thick Fat paired with its typing makes it an outstanding switch in to Ice and Fire, which are very threatening and common offensive types.
Trapinch C+ -> B It's a niche mon, but it's a really REALLY good niche. C+ simply doesn't do it enough justice. The ability to trap and eliminate things like Electabuzz, Lairon, and Gigalith can be invaluable to some teams.
Frillish C- -> C+ People are supporting this for C, but I really think it's a better fit in C+. The bulk this thing has is surprising for a LC mon, and its 3 immunities are extremely useful in this metagame.
Meditite C- -> C A somewhat underrated revenge killer and wallbreaker rolled into one. Jolly Scarf Meditite outspeeds all unboosted Pokemon in the metagame except for Persian, which it is slower than by only 1 speed point ;-;. The nice thing about Meditite is that it even outspeeds max Speed Adamant Lairon after a Rock Polish, so you won't be swept by it. Obviously it has a ton of downsides, one of the biggest ones being that it relies on HJK, which is fairly easy to take advantage of, but that's why I wouldn't place it any higher than C.
252 Atk Pure Power Meditite High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Gigalith: 338-398 (90.3 - 106.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Pure Power Meditite High Jump Kick vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Lickilicky: 440-518 (104 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO (if Licky doesn't use Protect) 252 Atk Pure Power Meditite High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippopotas: 178-211 (52.3 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 Atk Hippopotas Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Meditite: 132-156 (65.6 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
Should Drop
Wigglytuff A- -> B+ I've been struggling to find a reason to use Wiggly tbh. It's slow and only somewhat bulky, so other hazard setters are more reliable. Lickilicky is also better at passing wishes. I guess in the rare instance that you need a hazard setter that isn't Rock-, Steel-, or Ground-type, this could be a decent choice, but that's the only reason I'm suggesting it stay as high as B+.
Meowstic-F B+ -> B- Outclassed by its male counterpart (I swear I'm not sexist). And Gothitelle is a better Competitive mon imo, so Meow-F shouldn't be any higher than Goth (which is B).
Should be added
Spritzee unranked -> C/C- Floette unranked -> D Snubbull unranked -> D MBTV used Spritzee and Snubbull in a few of our battles and it really opened my eyes to the world of little bulky fairies. Their typing is outstanding and they have access to Heal Bell and/or Aromatherapy, making them really good clerics. Snubbull doesn't have reliable recovery, but it gets intimidate which makes up for it to an extent, and Floette has very impressive special bulk but its abilities are useless, which is why I'm suggesting those 2 be ranked lower than Spritzee. Spritzee's Aroma Veil ability prevents Taunt and Encore, which is outstanding for a defensive pokemon. It also gets access to Wish and it has an ok HP stat sitting at 78, so it can keep its team healthy in more ways than one. It's basically a discount Lickilicky that isn't weak to Fighting, giving it a niche on teams that don't want to compound weaknesses.
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Post by Slar Flar on Oct 10, 2016 17:01:27 GMT
Here's a list of some changes I'm nominating. Should RiseLuxray B -> B+ A really great wallbreaker in the current metagame. Due to its access to Superpower, Crunch, and Guts, it's one of the few pokemon that can break the Lickilicky+Gourgeist core on its own. That on its own is enough to warrant a rise, but it also has Intimidate and Volt Switch which can make it a very effective pivot. Pignite C+ -> B The pig is so underrated it's incredible. There are few things that are willing to switch into Flare Blitz/Superpower coverage, and those few things are not hugely common (Frillish, Lampent, maybe Carbink?). Like Luxray, this is one of the few pokemon that can break the Lickilicky+Gourgeist core. On top of that, Thick Fat paired with its typing makes it an outstanding switch in to Ice and Fire, which are very threatening and common offensive types. Trapinch C+ -> B It's a niche mon, but it's a really REALLY good niche. C+ simply doesn't do it enough justice. The ability to trap and eliminate things like Electabuzz, Lairon, and Gigalith can be invaluable to some teams. Frillish C- -> C+ People are supporting this for C, but I really think it's a better fit in C+. The bulk this thing has is surprising for a LC mon, and its 3 immunities are extremely useful in this metagame. Meditite C- -> C A somewhat underrated revenge killer and wallbreaker rolled into one. Jolly Scarf Meditite outspeeds all unboosted Pokemon in the metagame except for Persian, which it is slower than by only 1 speed point ;-;. The nice thing about Meditite is that it even outspeeds max Speed Adamant Lairon after a Rock Polish, so you won't be swept by it. Obviously it has a ton of downsides, one of the biggest ones being that it relies on HJK, which is fairly easy to take advantage of, but that's why I wouldn't place it any higher than C. 252 Atk Pure Power Meditite High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Gigalith: 338-398 (90.3 - 106.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Pure Power Meditite High Jump Kick vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Lickilicky: 440-518 (104 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO (if Licky doesn't use Protect) 252 Atk Pure Power Meditite High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippopotas: 178-211 (52.3 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 Atk Hippopotas Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Meditite: 132-156 (65.6 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage Should DropWigglytuff A- -> B+ I've been struggling to find a reason to use Wiggly tbh. It's slow and only somewhat bulky, so other hazard setters are more reliable. Lickilicky is also better at passing wishes. I guess in the rare instance that you need a hazard setter that isn't Rock-, Steel-, or Ground-type, this could be a decent choice, but that's the only reason I'm suggesting it stay as high as B+. Meowstic-F B+ -> B- Outclassed by its male counterpart (I swear I'm not sexist). And Gothitelle is a better Competitive mon imo, so Meow-F shouldn't be any higher than Goth (which is B). Should be addedSpritzee unranked -> C/C- Floette unranked -> D Snubbull unranked -> D MBTV used Spritzee and Snubbull in a few of our battles and it really opened my eyes to the world of little bulky fairies. Their typing is outstanding and they have access to Heal Bell and/or Aromatherapy, making them really good clerics. Snubbull doesn't have reliable recovery, but it gets intimidate which makes up for it to an extent, and Floette has very impressive special bulk but its abilities are useless, which is why I'm suggesting those 2 be ranked lower than Spritzee. Spritzee's Aroma Veil ability prevents Taunt and Encore, which is outstanding for a defensive pokemon. It also gets access to Wish and it has an ok HP stat sitting at 78, so it can keep its team healthy in more ways than one. It's basically a discount Lickilicky that isn't weak to Fighting, giving it a niche on teams that don't want to compound weaknesses. Luxray to B+ Agree: Luxray's massive attack stat, decent speed, 2 great abilities in intimidate and guts allows for Luxray to be one of the more viable wallbreakers. Should definitely not be as low ranked as it is. Meditite to C Agree: To the untrained eye, Meditite appears to be outclassed by Mienfoo in many ways, with access to knock off, U-turn, Reckless to have a similar damage output to Meditite (252 Atk Huge Power Meditite High Jump Kick vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Lickilicky: 440-518 (104 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO . 252 Atk Reckless Mienfoo High Jump Kick vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Lickilicky: 396-468 (93.6 - 110.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO) which kinda makes it look like huge power is just a small niche, and an additional niche in baton pass. However, Meditite's 60 base speed is actually quite decent with a choice scarf. Like Acast said, it's only 1 point slower than Persian. Not only that, it can OHKO a lot of mons that other mons fail to KO, even Lickilicky. Wiggly to B+ Agree: Wiggly as a wishpasser is just extremely dissapointing with Lickilicky around. Wiggly as a Wallbreaker is just dissapointing with Lickilicky. Wiggly in general is just really dissapointing with Lickilicky around. Meowstic-F to B- Agree: While I do feel that Meowstic-F has it has decent special attack, decent bulk, a pretty big movepool, and a great speed tier in 104 speed, its competition with the way better faster psychic Swoobat as well as the way stronger and bulkier psychic Gothitelle does indeed leave a lot to be desired. Floette to D Disagree: Floette offers the niche of being fairly strong for a fairy type in the FU meta, as well as the only one with reliable recovery outside of Togepi. However, it lacks any real niche in the metagame outside of that, and in my opinion that's not quite enough to earn it a spot on a team over Spritzee, especially when Spritzee has better bulk. I think that's all the mons I haven't talked about already that I need to talk about in this post. Something I suggest: Eelektrik to D: How many bulky Physical electric types are currently in the metagame? One, in the name of Luxray, and its kind of disappointing bulk wise in my honest opinion. However, another physical electric type is available and it offers quite a few handy niches all in one mon. How many mons in the current metagame offer a slow and bulky u-turn, access to knock off, no weaknesses and a very nice immunity in Levitate? None other than Eelektrik. Eelektrik not only offers something as handy as a bulky, slow pivot, but has decent attacking stats of 85/75, but it has decent bulk that rivals intimidate Luxray and Evioltie Electabuzz rolled up into one glorious mon. Additionally, it can run other sets like a defensive coil set with wild charge, knock off, and rest allowing Eelektrik to wall and setup on common threats like Klang, nontaunt physical murkrow, or even offensive Krokorok. Although more testing is probably required, from what I've seen so far Eelektrik is definitely deserving of just a D rank.
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Post by Chinese Pooh on Oct 13, 2016 9:54:36 GMT
INCOMING THE WALL OF OVERHAULING
Rankings: From S ---> B- Ordered by viability; C+ and lower ranked by alphabetical Electabuzz ---> Top of A+ Gourgeist ---> Top of A+ Wartortle ---> A+ Lairon ---> A Duosion ---> A Klang ---> A Magmar ---> A Sawsbuck ---> A- Wigglytuff ---> B+ Luxray ---> B+ Mienfoo ---> B+ Pignite ---> B Bronzor ---> B- Trapinch ---> B- Meowstic-F ---> B- Meditite ---> C Frillish ---> C Dewgong ---> C- Phione ---> C- Spritzee ---> C- Snubbull ---> D Ariados ---> D Castform ---> E Corsola ---> E Mothim ---> E Discussion Points: Staryu ---> C- Tentacool ---> C- Graveler ---> D Natu Unranked Tyrunt Unranked (yes I know I'm bringing it up again, but I feel it's important to bring up) Unfezant ---> D Dwebble ---> C+ Swalot ---> B / B+ Hippopotas ---> B+ Munchlax ---> B Palpitoad ---> D Eelektrik ---> D Foongus ---> D Ivysaur ---> C Masquerain ---> C+
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Post by Fannyfan on Oct 14, 2016 10:58:53 GMT
Here are my thoughts on some mons
Graveler C to D Agree Graveler is basically a discount hippo or gigalith. Hippo is better on the defensive side, and giga is better on the offensive side. The only niche graveler has is STAB in both Eq and stone edge. This very small niche is deserving of D rank
Natu D to Unranked Disagree Natu has a niche. It can be used on shedinja teams, plus it's the only FU mon with magic bounce. With that said, it is deserving of D rank because of factors like its lackluster stats and typing. However, it has a clearly defined niche and deserves D rank, not unranked.
Ivysaur Unranked to C Agree With the heat rock unbanning, Ivysaur now has a niche as a chlorophyll sweeper. That said, C is a good place to start because of its not the best stats compared to, Sawsbuck or Maractus.
Tyrunt D to Unranked Agree Tyrunt's "niche" is being a dragon dancer. Why would I ever use this over Dragonair or Shelgon? Elemental fangs? Honestly, this thing lacks a niche and I support it being Unranked.
Dwebble C to C+ Agree Dwebble has a cool niche of being a suicide lead for HO with stealth rocks and spikes. It's deserving of C+. I don't have much to say on this one, but I agree
Now time for my own nom Diglett Unranked to D Hear me out here. Diglett has a cool, if team specific, niche. It has strath rock plus memento, which is great for a suicide lead. It has pretty decent base 95 speed, and it stops the opponent from switching out into something that can stop it. Therefore, Diglett to D rank
~~and Gourgeist-Large to S+++ because I beat LST because of when it got 3 rock slide flinches in a row~~
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Post by takeazelfie on Oct 14, 2016 19:11:02 GMT
I disagree with Ivysaur rising only because of one reason. Weepinbell is a very close comparison as it is less bulky and slightly slower with more Special Attack BUT it does have one clear cut thing over Ivysaur and that is Weather Ball which lets it spar much better versus stuff like Gourgeist and Klang. Over than that there isn't much to say as the same argument for Ivysaur being ranked can apply to Weepinbell.
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Post by 5gen on Oct 14, 2016 21:10:09 GMT
I disagree with Ivysaur rising only because of one reason. Weepinbell is a very close comparison as it is less bulky and slightly slower with more Special Attack BUT it does have one clear cut thing over Ivysaur and that is Weather Ball which lets it spar much better versus stuff like Gourgeist and Klang. Over than that there isn't much to say as the same argument for Ivysaur being ranked can apply to Weepinbell. Sure they face great competition as sun sweepers, but Ivysaur's main role imo is that of a bulky grass. It finds a niche over Meganium and Gourgesit-L in Knock Off, which is useful in removing Eviolite, Lefties, or general power boosting items like Life Orb and Band. Landing Toxic all the time is nice too . That being said, it is reliant on its own Eviolite which is prone to Knock Off. Also just want to note that Ivysaur can run HP Fire to sort of compensate for Weather Ball+Chlorophyll being illegal.
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Post by Slar Flar on Oct 15, 2016 20:22:07 GMT
Here are my thoughts on some mons Graveler C to D Agree Graveler is basically a discount hippo or gigalith. Hippo is better on the defensive side, and giga is better on the offensive side. The only niche graveler has is STAB in both Eq and stone edge. This very small niche is deserving of D rank Natu D to Unranked Disagree Natu has a niche. It can be used on shedinja teams, plus it's the only FU mon with magic bounce. With that said, it is deserving of D rank because of factors like its lackluster stats and typing. However, it has a clearly defined niche and deserves D rank, not unranked. Ivysaur Unranked to C Agree With the heat rock unbanning, Ivysaur now has a niche as a chlorophyll sweeper. That said, C is a good place to start because of its not the best stats compared to, Sawsbuck or Maractus. Tyrunt D to Unranked Agree Tyrunt's "niche" is being a dragon dancer. Why would I ever use this over Dragonair or Shelgon? Elemental fangs? Honestly, this thing lacks a niche and I support it being Unranked. Dwebble C to C+ Agree Dwebble has a cool niche of being a suicide lead for HO with stealth rocks and spikes. It's deserving of C+. I don't have much to say on this one, but I agree Now time for my own nom Diglett Unranked to D Hear me out here. Diglett has a cool, if team specific, niche. It has strath rock plus memento, which is great for a suicide lead. It has pretty decent base 95 speed, and it stops the opponent from switching out into something that can stop it. Therefore, Diglett to D rank ~~and Gourgeist-Large to S+++ because I beat LST because of when it got 3 rock slide flinches in a row~~ Diglett to D Agree: Sure Diglett doesn't have bulk, power, etc etc, but what it does have is arena trap memento allowing it to trap leads, set up rocks, then weaken them for some easy early setup to dent the opposing team really well.
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Post by Gary2346 on Oct 16, 2016 22:05:56 GMT
Glaceon @ Choice Specs Ability: Ice Body EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Modest Nature IVs: 1 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe - Ice Beam - Hidden Power [Fighting] - Shadow Ball - Baton Pass / Blizzard Glaceon should be bumped up to top B+ IMO. Specs Glaceon is one of, if not the strongest Pokemon in FU. A Specs Ice Beam coming from 130 base SpA will OHKO practically anything that doesn't resist, and 2HKO even the bulkiest of walls, even SpD Licky with just a bit of residual damage. Its movepool is complete ass, but that doesn't really matter when its STAB alone is practically unwallable. All the Steel-types in the tier are can be 2HKOed after they've been knocked off, but in Lairon's case, it's 2HKOed regardless. HP Fighting is for OHKOing Lairon while dealing more consistent damage to other Steel-types, while Shadow Ball is strong versus Bronzor and bulky waters. The last moveslot is pretty expendable, but Baton Pass is great for scouting switch-ins into shit like Wartortle so you can pivot into Buzz or something. Blizzard is also cool as an emergency nuke, as it can secure more OHKOs and can 2HKO Licky on the switch 100% of the time. While Vannilluxe is better overall because of its higher Speed and slightly superior offensive movepool, it's nowhere near as strong as Glaceon and doesn't have the wallbreaking capabilities that Glaceon possesses, thus it makes sense to put it a whole rank below Vanilla. Glaceon has a solid niche at being able to dismantle most of the common fat cores in the tier while having fantastic offensive synergy with other wallbreakers like Simisage.
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